Opera 12 Final erschienen

TheMajor schrieb:

leonmcg schrieb:

Problems i have found:

• Opera no longer identifies as opera
• Speed dial looks like a smartphone, even though it's a desktop browser
• Can't change google branding that appears everywhere
• Can't change search provider
• Typing a web address into address bar shows google logo
• Can't use old extensions
• Can't use old themes
• Can't right click to edit toolbars
• Can't use custom shortcuts
• Can't use mouse gestures easily/can't use quick clicking
• Can't use opera link
• Can't Shift+F12 to edit toolbars
• Turbo is now called "off-road" mode. This makes no sense.
• speed dial start page doesn't work if window is in split screen mode
• It's a start page, not speed dial
• No favourites. No bookmarks. instead a "stash"
• Can't remove [+] icon from start page
• Can't customize start page the way i had it before
• Can't add custom shortcuts to bookmarks stashed items
• What is this "discover", and how doe sit work. This better not be tracking me.
• discover seems like it would use unnecessary network bandwidth
• The opera:config page no longer works
• My opera custom speed dial no longer works
• Setting shortcut is listed as alt+p, not ctrl+F12. wait, what? i see a lot of mistaken print jobs
• panels are missing
• notes are missing
• custom buttons... are missing
• window manager missing [relevant on multi-monitor systems]
• view page info not working
• Advanced download manager doesn't look any different from simple download manager
• Rss feeds don't work. Lucky I have a program to manage that for me.
• I can't download the extensions I had. oh wait, I already said that.
• I can't stack tabs
• I can't drag tabs to desktop to create a new window
• Pre-installed themes are ugly
• Can't disable scrollbars for custom javascript ones
• All custom help links redirect to main help page
• Plugins, themes, extensions managers all look like firefox
• No custom keywords for search engines
• "create search engine" does nothing
• D: hovering over "add to browser" on duckduckgo suggests installing chrome extension
• can't switch between UI/website languages easily
• can't access opera:cache
• Esc does not exit full screen
• Can't middle click tab bar to make new tab
• Where did operas 13 and 14 go?
• OK. so i can install *some* extensions, and not others?
• The downloads toolbar button never goes away unless you manually clear it
• can't access all of the security features available in O12 by pressing the favicon in the address bar
• can't access options such as webcam / geolocation allowance
• The config pages now have an annoying "//" you have to put in
• No native webm video support; instead downloads video in background.
• A lot of my plugins won't load
• The "problem/error" default page is now google-branded, not opera-branded
• I can't change if text labels appear on toolbar buttons
• I can't find the recently closed tabs button
• I can't quickly use the history tab to search my history
• I can't change the zoom level on start page/it doesn't change automatically
• I can't "restore down" tabs to make them like windows inside a window
• The stash preview is not metro-fitted
• The stash previews cannot be dragged and moved
• The stash previews are grainy screenshots
• In the text box in the empty stash, the text looks broken
• The [usb] program directory is very messy
• the program directory settings file are no longer .ini, but have no extension at all, making them difficult to use
• Why is there a launcher for opera, can't I just use the opera.exe?
• the extensions directory proved my thoughts; there are no more opera extensions, they are chrome extensions.
• the speech bubble icon in deviantart looks extremely grainy for some reason
• The "inspector" replaced dragonfly, it seems more jerky
• The inspector looks a bit bad. i suppose it's probably a wip
• The inspector settings has a user agent list. guess what's not on the list.
• can't add custom preferences to pages. the "edit site settings" context option is gone
• the inspector console doesn't look like a console
• The inspectors click-to-select feature is not there, you have to right click> inspect to do so
• There is no animated png support.
• PNG renders ugly
• some links that open a new page open in new windows, not tabs
• in settings, on manage exceptions, the "learn more" link goes nowhere
• The new help page has a lot less help than the old one
• I can't tell if a page is loading as there is no progress bar
• Can't perform mouse gestures outside of webpage, i.e. on toolbars
• can't perform complex mouse gestures such as dragging down, having started on top of a link
• No more follower tabs [useful on multi-monitor displays]
• No tab thumbnails
• Tab hover is only a generic tooltip, not the nice-looking bubble
• No custom speed dial background image
• Can't auto-update a page
• Entering bogus opera:// urls causes a crash
• My tumblr page's skin is broken
• dragging text to hghlight on a page makes some really wierd things. It's like it's highlighting frames as well.
• Can't right-click and scroll to switch tabs
• No private tabs, only private windows
• Used to be able to search history of page contents form address bar. It was a bit messy, but it worked for me. Can't do that now
• No minimize to notifications area, i.e. "hide opera" support
• Toolbars take up more space by several pixels.
• making a new tab in fullscreen does not show the address bar
• lots and lots of layout/rendering bugs
• toolbar extension badges look odd
• Windows 8 task manager shows a broken icon next to process

Good points:

• Metro interface looks pretty
• webkit support, although I preferred it on some sites when I couldn't use it
• can access custom dictionary easily
• i can kick tabs between opera 12 and 15
• the inspector loads faster than dragonfly
• startup time is faster, then again many features have been burned off

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To Opera:

Opera used to have an incredible amount of features and customizability options, many of which are listed above. Of course many of these features will only be used by 1% of the users, and I realize that they require man power to maintain etc. But, removing any of these features will insult a small amount of users, and if you remove enough of them, most of the user-base will be affected.
Opera has always been a browser with a small user-base, many of which are very dedicated because of its feature-set. By removing or not re-introducing a bunch of features, you will lose many users. Even removing a single feature will prompt the most vocal users to complain. I remember how I was affected when v8 was introduced. Many menu options, like context menu's were removed in that upgrade. This may only affect a bunch of users, but the sum of these features and tiny details define Opera's overall value. In the end, the decision to make Opera 8 'cleaner' than v7, turned out to be a very good decision as no essential, and only a small number of tiny features were removed. Many new features were added.

If Opera wants to compete with basic browsers like Chrome, that's cool (but not for me). I do think that Opera should have attached a letter/statement to this preview release, explaining certain decisions made in this transition concerning featureset. A small roadmap would be nice.

- What is Opera's intended target audience with this transition? Casual users, hardcore users, or both?
- Will old features be back? Will they not be back, if so, why?

I know the current preview in its current state will be awesome for your average user, and it may very well be that they will provide the most profit if Opera could expand its market share somehow. As a business decision I could understand this move, but I wonder if it will work out. If the old way (maintaining Presto) is not viable/profitable, I understand that risks must be taken. However, if a transition to Blink means butchering many (MANY) features and interface features, I would deem the risk of switching too high. So, unless you plan to re-introduce features, I think it is a sad way how things turned out for the existing users. I also wonder, if (if!) dropping many features is unavoidable, if this was known by the decision makers before the decision was made final.

To sum it up, some public statement regarding decisions and intentions for the near future would be nice, so we know what's ahead of us.

In any case, I'll stick with Opera 12 as long as possible, until something better or more useful turns up. I really hope it will be Opera.

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