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Es gibt eine interessante Neuigkeit, die ich in einem Anderem Forum gelesen habe, bezüglich der GameForge 4D GmbH und Frogster.
Quelle: GF and their crap!!!!!!
GF and their crap!!!
Quelle: GF and their crap!!!!!!
GF and their crap!!!
I guess they have fawked themselves up this time badly
"[Note, an original English / Official response from Gameforge is now available, see it here.
Firstly, a little back story. Recently, the online games company Frogster began legal action against a well known large German game cheating/hacking forum, elitepvers.
The suit alleges elitepvpers (EPVP) took part in activity involving the commercial selling of gold, and also game accounts, for Frogster's MMORPG Runes Of Magic, something forbidden by their terms of service. The site is not taking this lying down, and will attempt to fiercely defend itself. As part of their effort, they are working with the German Wisotzki Group, a sort of Online Investigative services provider.
The Wisotzki Group's investigation has eventually led to Gameforge, which holds an 80% controlling stake in Frogster and whose products, especially Metin2, are also heavily targeted by EPVP. The information that has come to light is that Gameforge held a business relationship with a company that offered gold/item services, sometime in 2005. This company was named In-Game Paradise.
The site (ingameparadise.de) is now offline and appears to have been so for some time, but a look in the internet archive around the time of Gameforge's partnership with it shows that it was clearly a gold, item, and leveling etc selling service.
ingameparadise.de in 2005
The lid on this agreement has since been completely blown off by German news portal Gulli, who reported that an informant came to them, spilling the beans of Gameforge's relationship with Ingame Paradise. The site started independently, and after a few months, was approached by Gameforge. There were even meetings with Gameforge's (then) Managing Director. After the owners demonstrated that they could (or were) making thousands per month selling virtual game goods, Gameforge's Director decided to push forward for a piece of the action.
By Q2 2005, a new company had been formed, named Ingame Paradise Limited. Gameforge is shown to have covered some of the costs of the formation and operation of the company, including paying for the design and hosting of the website, in addition to advertising campaigns to attract sales. Gameforge apparently expected upwards of €50,000 monthly from this partnership. As time went on, the informant claims that the profits increased.
This relationship went on seemingly unchanged, until early 2007. This is at a time when many high level staff at Gameforge were changing around. The community management at this time decided to discontinue the relationship with Ingame Paradise. Though Gameforge did not publish Metin2 during most of the run of their partnership with the service, some of Gameforge's other titles had items or gold for sale, while at the same time Gameforge's official stance was one against such services, a rather hypocritical stance.
Finally, Gameforge has since released a statement regarding their past relationship with Ingame Paradise, shown below. Apologies for the Google translation quality:
Quote
Translated From http://board.metin2.de/board23-news/...rma-gameforge/:
Gameforge rejects in principle from "gold-selling," this attitude is enshrined for years in corporate policy and the terms of our games.
Game Forge was involved, however, in 2005 for a short time in-game Paradise. "Extensive advertising campaigns," as the article claims, it has not given at this time - some days were in-game banner for Paradise in the game OGame. By weekly protests, the banners were switched off again. The business model of in-game Paradise stood for Game Forge in the episode were not sustainable and legally out ambiguous. 28.12.2005 Gameforge sold the shares in-game Paradise Ltd. back to the manager. This rested the business relationship. The agreement between the in-game Paradise Ltd. Gameforge and ran until 2007, was dormant. Gameforge has moved from the business relationship or benefits, other than the hosting of the website in-game Paradise Ltd. (End 2005) and some days banner in OGame, yet services are provided.
From today's perspective, and later more than six years, we keep the relationship with short-game Paradise is a mistake. In 2005, the matter is, however, is not as clear as day. Nevertheless, we have the time, however, relatively quickly pulled the rip cord and terminates the business relationship. Game Forge has never sold directly in-game currency from playing other providers and was after the 12/28/2005 no longer involved in a company that has done that.
We think, given the rapid development of the online games market in recent years is important to look at the history: in early 2005 was still unclear whether and how to deal with free games on the internet at all can make money. Game Forge was a small startup company with three games, which earned a small amount of money with banner ads in games. Since advertising is in the game, however unpopular with players, Game Forge was looking for alternative revenue and participated in company with new business models. One was the game Paradise, the in-game gold in Asia shopped and sold in Germany. The legal situation is more than six years in the very young industry is not as clear as today. For example, the Attorney Dr. Andreas Lober in an article set, 29.11.2005:
"[...] In Germany there are now with Game Economy and ingame Paradise [...] two suppliers. They buy and sell items from online games [...]. Many gaming companies are trying to trade in such virtual items for real money in their exclude terms and conditions. [...] Such clauses must be at the right measure of general business conditions. In terms of law, for example, surprising clauses ineffective. speaks Given the now well-established trade in such objects much to suggest that such a ban is basically a surprise . [...]".
This excerpt from Dr. Andreas Lober was based on a scientific investigation, written by the author together with Mr Olaf Weber, LL.M., a judge in Saarbrücken.
Today, in 2011, the unanimous interpretation of the law is another.
We apologize again for this final blemish in our history, but insure that we have in the matter at that time learned a lesson: Game Forge stands for a clear stance against Gold Sellers."
Hier eine Übersetzung mit Google Translate, wer es nötig hat:
"[Note, an original English / Official response from Gameforge is now available, see it here.
Firstly, a little back story. Recently, the online games company Frogster began legal action against a well known large German game cheating/hacking forum, elitepvers.
The suit alleges elitepvpers (EPVP) took part in activity involving the commercial selling of gold, and also game accounts, for Frogster's MMORPG Runes Of Magic, something forbidden by their terms of service. The site is not taking this lying down, and will attempt to fiercely defend itself. As part of their effort, they are working with the German Wisotzki Group, a sort of Online Investigative services provider.
The Wisotzki Group's investigation has eventually led to Gameforge, which holds an 80% controlling stake in Frogster and whose products, especially Metin2, are also heavily targeted by EPVP. The information that has come to light is that Gameforge held a business relationship with a company that offered gold/item services, sometime in 2005. This company was named In-Game Paradise.
The site (ingameparadise.de) is now offline and appears to have been so for some time, but a look in the internet archive around the time of Gameforge's partnership with it shows that it was clearly a gold, item, and leveling etc selling service.
ingameparadise.de in 2005
The lid on this agreement has since been completely blown off by German news portal Gulli, who reported that an informant came to them, spilling the beans of Gameforge's relationship with Ingame Paradise. The site started independently, and after a few months, was approached by Gameforge. There were even meetings with Gameforge's (then) Managing Director. After the owners demonstrated that they could (or were) making thousands per month selling virtual game goods, Gameforge's Director decided to push forward for a piece of the action.
By Q2 2005, a new company had been formed, named Ingame Paradise Limited. Gameforge is shown to have covered some of the costs of the formation and operation of the company, including paying for the design and hosting of the website, in addition to advertising campaigns to attract sales. Gameforge apparently expected upwards of €50,000 monthly from this partnership. As time went on, the informant claims that the profits increased.
This relationship went on seemingly unchanged, until early 2007. This is at a time when many high level staff at Gameforge were changing around. The community management at this time decided to discontinue the relationship with Ingame Paradise. Though Gameforge did not publish Metin2 during most of the run of their partnership with the service, some of Gameforge's other titles had items or gold for sale, while at the same time Gameforge's official stance was one against such services, a rather hypocritical stance.
Finally, Gameforge has since released a statement regarding their past relationship with Ingame Paradise, shown below. Apologies for the Google translation quality:
Quote
Translated From http://board.metin2.de/board23-news/...rma-gameforge/:
Gameforge rejects in principle from "gold-selling," this attitude is enshrined for years in corporate policy and the terms of our games.
Game Forge was involved, however, in 2005 for a short time in-game Paradise. "Extensive advertising campaigns," as the article claims, it has not given at this time - some days were in-game banner for Paradise in the game OGame. By weekly protests, the banners were switched off again. The business model of in-game Paradise stood for Game Forge in the episode were not sustainable and legally out ambiguous. 28.12.2005 Gameforge sold the shares in-game Paradise Ltd. back to the manager. This rested the business relationship. The agreement between the in-game Paradise Ltd. Gameforge and ran until 2007, was dormant. Gameforge has moved from the business relationship or benefits, other than the hosting of the website in-game Paradise Ltd. (End 2005) and some days banner in OGame, yet services are provided.
From today's perspective, and later more than six years, we keep the relationship with short-game Paradise is a mistake. In 2005, the matter is, however, is not as clear as day. Nevertheless, we have the time, however, relatively quickly pulled the rip cord and terminates the business relationship. Game Forge has never sold directly in-game currency from playing other providers and was after the 12/28/2005 no longer involved in a company that has done that.
We think, given the rapid development of the online games market in recent years is important to look at the history: in early 2005 was still unclear whether and how to deal with free games on the internet at all can make money. Game Forge was a small startup company with three games, which earned a small amount of money with banner ads in games. Since advertising is in the game, however unpopular with players, Game Forge was looking for alternative revenue and participated in company with new business models. One was the game Paradise, the in-game gold in Asia shopped and sold in Germany. The legal situation is more than six years in the very young industry is not as clear as today. For example, the Attorney Dr. Andreas Lober in an article set, 29.11.2005:
"[...] In Germany there are now with Game Economy and ingame Paradise [...] two suppliers. They buy and sell items from online games [...]. Many gaming companies are trying to trade in such virtual items for real money in their exclude terms and conditions. [...] Such clauses must be at the right measure of general business conditions. In terms of law, for example, surprising clauses ineffective. speaks Given the now well-established trade in such objects much to suggest that such a ban is basically a surprise . [...]".
This excerpt from Dr. Andreas Lober was based on a scientific investigation, written by the author together with Mr Olaf Weber, LL.M., a judge in Saarbrücken.
Today, in 2011, the unanimous interpretation of the law is another.
We apologize again for this final blemish in our history, but insure that we have in the matter at that time learned a lesson: Game Forge stands for a clear stance against Gold Sellers."
Hier eine Übersetzung mit Google Translate, wer es nötig hat:
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